Windfalls after full and final settlement

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Janice200

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Post by Janice200 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:00 pm
I am thinking of offering a full and final settlement payment to my creditors early on my IVA. It would not clear the full debt - it would be a reduced offer.

If they accept I'd have no further payments to make on my IVA, although I do realise they have been checking my PPI situation to see if there is anything there.

However, I am wondering about other windfalls, eg, inheritance.

If they accept the offer and I pay it but the final completion certificate has not yet been issued - do I have to give them the entire windfall? I've seen on other sites mention of 50% in these cases, and even negotiated lesser amounts.

Also, if the completion certificate has been issued for an early settlement, would this still affect any non-PPI windfalls received after that?

And lastly, if you make an offer like this and it is accepted, how long after payment is the final completion sent?
 
 

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Post by plasticdaft » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:47 pm
Are you expecting an inheritance?

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Post by Janice200 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:05 am
Possibly, it is not definite though.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:55 pm
My own legal advice, from a leading insolvency barrister, is that additional windfalls cannot be grabbed once a debtor has completed their obligations, and the time has expired that was envisaged that the IVA would run over.

I do know of one other firm that do not share this view - but don't be frightened to challenge this as Courts generally side with the debtor.
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Post by Steve.1 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:53 am
Surely if a F&F is accepted, anything after that cannot be claimed i.e. inheritance/bonus. This is money received after the agreement has concluded?

PPI etc is monies relating to pre IVA so therefore could be claimed.

Is that not correct. I have just had a F&F accepted & did not intend to notify my IP if I receive a bonus or such like in 3 or 4 months time.
 
 

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Post by Foggy » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:09 am
Hi Steve, like you I am between acceptance of an offer and that completion certificate and I queried this with GT. Bonus payments and income related payments are no longer looked at, however, a lottery win or inheritance (windfall) would be drawn into the IVA.

GT are one of the few who take this view and most IP's release you from all obligations ( PPI apart)on the assumption that you have fullfilled all of your responsibilities.

There is no reason why you should be disadvantaged due to your firm's tardiness.
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Post by Steve.1 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:50 am
Thanks for that Foggy - I have already acknowledged of to my IP that any PPI currently being investigated does of course go into the fund.

Other than a bonus I hope not to get any other windfalls soon i.e. inheritance, so I'll just leave my IP to get on with the completion. They say 6 months, so fingers crossed!
 
 

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Post by mumof3needhelp-thankyou » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:47 pm
Dear Melanie

I had a full and final settlement accepted by the creditors in end of Nov 2013 and I have paid it in Dec 2013. Jan 2014 I received a letter now that they want to release the equity in my property if there is any and is that right? I had given them the details back in Oct 2013 about the property and they call the meeting of creditors which accept the full and final settlement put forward. Is that correct to ask me for the equity release now especially after I paid the full and final settlement agreed at the creditors meeting.

Thanks in anticipation
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by MelanieGiles

My own legal advice, from a leading insolvency barrister, is that additional windfalls cannot be grabbed once a debtor has completed their obligations, and the time has expired that was envisaged that the IVA would run over.

I do know of one other firm that do not share this view - but don't be frightened to challenge this as Courts generally side with the debtor.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:50 pm
I think that I have already answered this on your other post? Which firm are you with?
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