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Post by mikebdomain » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:45 pm
I have emailed you bagpuss

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Post by bagpuss » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:52 pm
thank you..

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Post by Adam Davies » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:22 pm
Bourdieu
As Catullus has stated your IVA seems flawed with regard to the equity release.I think that your offer,in the circumstances,will be accepted.Your next step is to take time out and have a one to one with your IP and discus your offer and also the equity release.
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Post by Andrew Graveson » Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:06 pm
I'm not sure this equity release clause is necessarily flawed.

Barrat's interest is in maintaining their security (25% of the market value). If the home has appreciated significantly since the original mortgage was taken there is the potential to release equity without comprimising Barrat's security. Contrary to Mike's post this would require a Deed of Postponement (agreed to by Barrat's) which by way of a ballpark figure could add £150 plus VAT to the solicitors costs and possibly an admin fee to Barrat's.

I disagree with Mike's reading on the clause regarding new mortgages. I take this to mean that their permission would be required which is why those who run such schemes tend to have conveyancing departments. It would not be realistic or reasonable to refuse all remortgages for a ten year period. They control the process and their security by agreeing or refusing the Deeds of Postponement presented by the remortgagors solicitor.

I also suspect that the restriction placed by the IP is for the purposes of control as well; i.e. their permission is needed prior to the remortgage completing. Otherwise it's effecively a 100% equity release clause which seems unlikely.

Mike also mentions that it might be difficult to raise equity due to IVA remortgage criteria at the moment. The LTV available depends on how the lender assesses the risk. We placed a second-year IVA case at 'near-prime'(i.e. the lender saw the risk as very limited) last week and the higher than usual LTV available at this level could make the equity release viable. This will not happen in all cases but matching the right case to the right lender makes a big difference.

Key action points here that could unlock the door might be:

1 - Establish how much the property has appreciated in value since the original mortgage.
2 - Clarify with the IP the purpose of their 'restriction'.
3 - Discuss with Barrat's conveyancers their position on what they do and do not consider threatens their security on the property in terms of equity release based on current market value.



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Post by Adam Davies » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:32 pm
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Like Catullus I have not seen one case on this forum of a shared ownership mortgage being able to remortgage for equity release purposes.
I think that Bourdieu needs to clarify this with her IP but as I've said this is not critical at this point,what is critical is the fact that Bourdieu has a friend willing to settle the IVA early and this must be the priority at the moment,using the uncertainty of the remortgage to their advantage.
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Post by Andrew Graveson » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:36 pm
There's definately uncertainty in the ability to remortgage. Several things would need to fall into line to make it happen.

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Post by mikebdomain » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:24 am
I agree with Andrew that not all IVA cases are viewed as sub prime – we have had a number lately where excellent deals have been found with very competitive rates. And also agree that IF enough equity has built up in Bourdieu’s flat, then you may be able to release equity out of your 75% as long as Barrats agree to postpone (not likely in my experience of similar cases concerning Barratts). Bear in mind you will need to cover all remortgage charges etc. from your 75%...

I just felt the need to check our stats on this one and have found that 87 cases out of 94 Barratts have refused to move on their charge or at least insisted that their 25% be cleared prior allowing a remortgage or sale to take place…

Andy is right in that shared ownership mortgages are impossible to place whilst the applicant is in a current IVA. However, this case is not considered a shared ownership for remortgage purposes.

The IPs charge is unusual in that; the beneficial interest is mentioned I do not believe there is any need for this in an IVA, the usual restriction text is:

RESTRICTION: No disposition of the registered estate by the proprietor of the registered estate is to be registered without a certificate signed on behalf of etc. etc.

This is more than sufficient and I see no reason to deviate from it, beneficial interest restrictions are usually reserved for court appointed charges.

Hopefully, as Andy as previously stated, none of the above matters if Bourdieu has a friend willing to stump up enough to clear his IVA – I wish you all the best in sorting this out Bourdieu.


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Post by Bourdieu » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:11 pm
Hi all,

I heard today from my IP that my full and final offer has been rejected by Northern Rock who are my largest creditor. No reasons were given. I am flabbergasted for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that my flat has been recently valued at £8,500 less than the price I paid for it 2 years ago. This fact, alongside the advice from a number of you on this forum that there would be complications with raising equity in year 4, would surely make it extremely unlikely that my creditors would get £8000 in year 4.

I am at a complete loss as to what to do. My IP has said he would go back to Northern Rock with further details and ask them to reconsider their position, which in effect delays the variation meeting again for 7 days (the 2nd time this has happened). In the meantime I have another IVA payment due in a few days time which I am unable to make given my higher mortgage and electricity payments which have started this month.

I am extremely upset and am now considering bankruptcy as an option. I felt that the figure offered - £21k - plus the amount I have already paid (approx £5.5k) was fair and reasonable and not far off the amount originally agreed in my IVA. If my payments were to be reduced to what I can now afford (£200 per month) that would only realise approx £10k over the next 4 years for my creditors. I simply don't understand how they have come to this decision.

any help or advice would be really appreciated.

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Post by Adam Davies » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:52 pm
Hi
Well that's a pity and a strange commercial decision by NR.
Did your IP state strongly the situation regarding your shared ownership ?
Could you offer any more if NR come back with a figure ?
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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:57 pm
Northern Rock read and review all IVA proposals and variations received by them, and there will be real reasons for their objection. You need to get your IP to contact them to see why they feel your offer is deficient, to enable you the opportunity of amending your offer.

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Post by catullus » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:24 pm
We don't have a huge amount of experience of how Northern Rock vote in variation meetings simply because they have knocked so many on the head at the outset, where they are significant creditors.

My gut feeling is that they will be insisting on you honouring the minimum dividend requirement without thinking very hard about the other issues that led you to make this offer.

Were you satisfied that the proposal for the variation made a strong enough case?
 
 

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Post by Bourdieu » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:14 pm
Hi all and thanks once again for your advice.

I have asked my IP for reasons why NR rejected my offer and was told in a short email "none given". I also asked whether NR was in receipt of all my details before the variation meeting, this question was ignored. I further requested advice on what to do now that my next payment into my IVA is approaching and I cannot pay the full amount. In my proposal there is a clause which allows for a payment holiday on request and I asked whether this was an option for me. I was told that if I can't pay I will default on my IVA.

I am now starting to lose confidence and trust in my IP. I will not divulge their name nor the company they work at this stage as I don't want to breach their anonymity but I don't feel that they are working for me in regards to this early settlement offer. Do I have any come-back in any of this?

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Post by Adam Davies » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:22 pm
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I do hate poor service/communication like this.
As Melanie has stated NR will give a reason but I guess your IP has not bothered to find out.
Email them and ask for the meeting to be postponed and for the IP to ask NR what figure they will accept.
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Post by MelanieGiles » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:22 pm
Is that because Northern Rock refused to give a reason, or because your IP hasn't bothered to ask them? I would be keen to know the answer to this, as Northern Rock tell me that they now always give out reasons for rejections.

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Post by catullus » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:25 pm
Did you actually see the proposal for a variation that your IP sent to creditors? It does't sound as though you did. A copy should have been sent to you when the meeting was convened.
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