How can PayPlan ignore all parts of the protocol around equity apart from clause at Annex 6 ?

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Post by Spider8 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:55 pm
My wife and I both have IVA's with Payplan and they are Protocol Compliant. Started in 2011. We are at the 54 month point - Equity Release.
Payplan IP has stated because of the clause in our proposals - Clause is Annex 6 of the IVA Protocol. He has ruled that as your 85% interest in the property is above £5000 you must attempt to re-mortgage or pay an extra 12 months.
We disagree quoting 9.3 of the protocol - the de minimis clause <£5000 & calculations illustrated at Annex 7
Value of house £265000 - Mortgage £217,975.73 split 50/50 as IVA's are individual but linked this leaves us £3,705.15 equity each (85% (LTV)
IP is saying we have over £20,000 equity each after 85% as per clause Annex 6 so expects us to remortgage upto £3,705.15 or pay another year.
How can IP ignore all other parts of the protocol around equity - parts 9.1 to 9.5 especially 9.3 & the calculation illustrations at Annex 7 and just base his figures (interpretation) on the clause at Annex 6?
 
 

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Post by Foggy » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:31 pm
This is becoming an increasingly common situation where the (generally) larger and creditor centric / funded firms are using the badly drafted terms to their own advantage. I maintain that even interlocking IVA's should treat the de minimis against the individuals share of equity.
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Post by Spider8 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:00 pm
Thanks Foggy, we are now in the process of deciding what to do next, any advice greatly received.
 
 

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Post by winter_blues » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:35 pm
Hi spider, I wrote several emails to my I.P to argue my point. Initially they stood their ground and wanted me to pay a further 12 months. I researched the Protocol updates and found this and cobbled another email - this did the trick and persuaded my I.P to ask this solicitor for clarification. They agreed that I had no equity but with the proviso that the creditor who issued the modification also agreed. My I. P sent them a letter and unless they rejected then my IVA would end in November. Hope the following helps you.


Further to my email I have found the critical part in the 2014 Protocol which emphasises the spirit intended around equity release. I may be a victim of wording against intention;


During the IVA

Home equity (Net worth)

9.1 Six months prior to the expiry of the IVA (hereinafter referred to as the review date), there should be an attempt to release the debtor’s net worth in the property. The review date would normally be after month 54, unless the IVA has been extended for any reason. However, subject to 9.3 below, where the debtor is unable to obtain a remortgage, the supervisor will have the discretion to consider accepting one of the following alternative proposals:

• a third party sum equivalent to 85% of the value of the debtor’s interest in the property; or
• 12 additional monthly contributions (with the aggregate sum paid to the supervisor being limited to 85% of the value of the debtor’s interest in the property).

9.2 The amount of the net worth to be released will be based upon affordability from income and will leave the debtor with at least 15% of his/her net worth in the property. Remortgage includes other secured lending such as a secured loan. Where it is appropriate to remortgage the property, the specific limits will be:

• Remortgages would be a maximum of 85% Loan To Value (LTV).
• The incremental cost of the remortgage, including cost of any new repayment vehicle, will not exceed 50% of the monthly contribution at the review date.
• The net worth released will not exceed 100p in the £ excluding statutory interest.
• The remortgage term does not extend beyond the later of the debtor’s State retirement age or the existing mortgage term.
• The amount of money introduced into the arrangement will be the mortgage proceeds less the costs of the remortgage, including any costs to redeem any existing mortgage and/or secured loan

Examples illustrating the calculation of available net worth are in Annex 7

9.3 If the amount of the debtor’s net worth net of remortgage costs in the home at the review date is under £5k, it is considered de minimis, and does not have to be released, and there would be no adjustment to the IVA term.

This says that subject to 9.3 which is about the amount of the debtors net worth (leaving 15% of his net worth of property) is under £5k then it is considered de- minimis and does not have to be released and there will be no adjustment to the IVA term.

That is pretty clear to me to mean that my calculations are correct.

Your figures are based on taking a sentence out as stand alone - if being unable to remortgage ...but the 2014 protocol clarifies this being subject to 9.3.
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Post by Spider8 » Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:28 am
Thanks Winter_blues, I've also researched this but the IP is standing their ground at this time and just working from the clause at Annex 6.
It's badly worded and not as it suggests at 9.5 in the main body of the document where it states - " A clause detailing the above as set out in Annex 6" Annex 6 should have been written exactly as it suggests as detailed above (9.1 to 9.5)
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Post by Spider8 » Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:31 am
For viewers new to an IVA, just starting or approaching the 54 month point (homeowners)

Where I mention 9.1 to 9.5 and Annex 6 & 7 - this relates to the IVA Protocol 2014 & 2010 (not many changes between the 2). Annex 6 & 7 are found at the end of the document like attachments.

Annex 6 is the clause mentioned at 9.5 - 9.5 A clause detailing the above as set out in Annex 6 is to be included, where appropriate. (Detailing the above!! - as set out in Annex 6 - it is not worded well and if it detailed the above exactly it would be much clearer and not open to interpretation)

Annex 7 is the example calculations used by the IVA Protocol Document to establish maximum remortgage monies for IVA

If you are a homeowner make sure how your IVA Company calculate equity in your property.

Payplan according to their interpretation of Annex 6 calculate 100% of the value of your property minus your mortgage = your equity & then do 85%. (100,000 - £80,000 = £20,000 equity - 85% = £17,000. They then expect you to release equity or pay another 12 months.
Using the calculations as per the protocol Example 2b at Annex 7 this person would not have to pay anymore - de minimis clause at 9.3.

Sections 9.1 to 9.5 talk about Equity, this is in the main body of the document as below.

Home equity (Net worth)

9.1 Six months prior to the expiry of the IVA (hereinafter referred to as the review date), there should be an attempt to release the debtor’s net worth in the property. The review date would normally be after month 54, unless the IVA has been extended for any reason. However, subject to 9.3 below, where the debtor is unable to obtain a remortgage, the supervisor will have the discretion to consider accepting one of the following alternative proposals:

• a third party sum equivalent to 85% of the value of the debtor’s interest in the property; or
• 12 additional monthly contributions (with the aggregate sum paid to the supervisor being limited to 85% of the value of the debtor’s interest in the property).

9.2 The amount of the net worth to be released will be based upon affordability from income and will leave the debtor with at least 15% of his/her net worth in the property. Remortgage includes other secured lending such as a secured loan. Where it is appropriate to remortgage the property, the specific limits will be:

• Remortgages would be a maximum of 85% Loan To Value (LTV).
• The incremental cost of the remortgage, including cost of any new repayment vehicle, will not exceed 50% of the monthly contribution at the review date.
• The net worth released will not exceed 100p in the £ excluding statutory interest.
• The remortgage term does not extend beyond the later of the debtor’s State retirement age or the existing mortgage term.
• The amount of money introduced into the arrangement will be the mortgage proceeds less the costs of the remortgage, including any costs to redeem any existing mortgage and/or secured loan

Examples illustrating the calculation of available net worth are in Annex 7

9.3 If the amount of the debtor’s net worth net of remortgage costs in the home at the review date is under £5k, it is considered de minimis, and does not have to be released, and there would be no adjustment to the IVA term.

9.4 The monthly payments arising from the remortgage will be deducted from the contribution. If the increased cost of the mortgage means that monthly contributions fall below £50 per month, such monthly contributions are stopped, and the IVA is concluded.

9.5 A clause detailing the above as set out in Annex 6 is to be included, where appropriate, in the individual’s proposal and the summary sheet (Annex 5) will identify that this clause is included.
 
 

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Post by Michael Peoples » Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:34 am
If you do not get satisfaction from your IP you can demand a meeting of creditors is called for clarifiction. The wording of the protocol documents in relation to equity was pretty poor and did not reflect the intention which the changes in 2014 have at leats tried to do.

You have nothing to lose by calling a variation asking for the file to be closed and it is your right. Do not let them fob you off as the supervisor must call a variation within 21 days of the request being made from a debtor.
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Post by Spider8 » Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:40 am
Michael, thank you for your reply, we have made a compliant with the company & they have confirmed they will investigate. However your advice is very welcome and will be our next course of action. Many thanks.
 
 

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Post by Michael Peoples » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:30 am
Good luck Spider. If creditors demand the extension based on the badly worded early protocol cases then you would probably be stuck. However if they agree with the intention of the wording as clarified in 2014 then they should allow closure. You have nothing to lose and all to gain.
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