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Post by tobeornot » Thu May 13, 2010 3:52 pm
The horrible world of debt.

After working in the debt industry for 2 and half years it has come at quite a shock to what really goes on with so called charities and free debt help.

Many people including myself would consider a charity to be just that, little did I know that most of them have major links to some off the most profitable debt solution providers in the country.

Companies and charities a like suggesting that they offer a no fee solution is simply mis-leading the very vulnerable public in to believing this. My experience has taught me otherwise and only by working in the industry have I seen how the whole system works.

An IVA (Individual voluntary agreement) is a great example of this money making operation, introduced in 1986 by the government and now gift wrapped for us all to see on TV advertising channels.

I`m not saying they are not right for some people, but only 1 in 10 people in such an agreement actually benefit from it. The other and most important question I have about a IVA is the set up and charges involved, according to http://www.insolvency.gov.uk you have to be a registered insolvency practitioner to be able to arrange this, I do ask myself why this is, maybe it’s because most IP`s have a average salary of 60,000 pounds a year, and the people paying these wages are people in debt, something just doesn’t add up to me, why do we need some over paid suit who never had anything to do with the original debt to set this up and make himself a average of 10,000 per client he signs up, it’s disgusting.

I telephoned a so called debt charity (CCCS) to ask them this, my question being “I would like to arrange an IVA with you, but I don’t want an insolvency practitioner involved as they charge too much money, I was then told that a counsellor would arrange this and no fees would ever be charged. This is a simple lie; yes I do use that word because that’s what I was told, A BLATENT LIE.

This really did worry me, as you would think by calling a registered charity that you would be given the truth. Now not to my surprise it would seem companies like Payplan are helping to run The Institute of money advisors (IMA) who are an organisation who help train money advisers across the country that work in places like the citizen’s advice bureau and CCCS. If you look at the bottom of their website, you will see for yourself,

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The IMA would like to thankPayplan logo - your debt needsfor their generosity in
hosting and maintaining this website.

So what this means is we have one of the most profitable IVA and debt management companies (Payplan) in the UK is hosting and maintaining an organisation that trains debt charity employees or volunteers as they like to say.

Do you agree that this is now getting a little fishy, once you’re in the net there is nowhere to turn, go to the citizens advice or call the CCCS charity we are told, but all that is going to happen is we end up in the same keep net, by charging a huge amount of money for something we could theoretically simply do ourselves, or not as the case maybe, I wonder why that is.

What I basically trying to say is, why o why do we need extra fees involved when all most people are trying to do is pay back a debt, not to fund TV adverts and shareholders lunches, we have all seen enough from MP`s and there expenses and I personally being on the front line of the debt industry have seen more than enough of these nasty money making scum’s. What a way to make money, ridicule a poor person and take half their pension or salary so you can have the latest Porsche. This may sound farfetched but it’s happening every day.

Did you know that the average salary for a junior debt advisor for the citizens advice bureau is around £23,500 pa, yes that’s right, are you thinking what I`m thinking aren’t all the Citizens advice bureau staff volunteers?, NO being the answer to this! But they forget to mention that!

So to summarise this blog, we are all guilty of overspending and getting into debt, look at the governments national debt, but why should we have to pay huge extra fees to sharks and so called debt charities, why can’t we just get the truth for change.

Not everything in life appears how we first think is the moral of this story
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Post by plasticdaft » Thu May 13, 2010 4:00 pm
The debt in an IVA is frozen so you could say that the amount you save is much less than your IP will ever make out of you!! And I think you will find your 1 in 10 figure to be fairly inaccurate.

Can you give a little more info into your 2 1/2 years in the debt industry??
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Post by Skippy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:01 pm
Ollyob, I thought you said in another post that you have just been made bankrupt, but now you are saying you work in the debt industry...
 
 

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Post by tobeornot » Thu May 13, 2010 4:03 pm
yes this is why i went bankrupt, having known all the options it easily the best for me, by the way you can go bankrupt if you work in the debt industry.
 
 

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Post by Skippy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:06 pm
I was aware of that.

While BR might have been the best option for you but an IVA is the right solution for many other people, and your post doesn't give a good impression to anyone who is trying to find a solution.
 
 

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Post by tobeornot » Thu May 13, 2010 4:07 pm
im just saying that debt charities should not be called charities cause they are not. people should be aware of this dont you think???
 
 

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Post by Michael Peoples » Thu May 13, 2010 4:55 pm
I agree that a lot of so called debt charities are very profitable businesses and get paid handsomely by the banks for collecting money. However, I would not put the CAB in that bracket as they do not charge nor receive any commission and the salaries reflect the experience and qualifications of those involved.

IPs are highly trained professionals and to obtain the qualifications takes years. If you want an operation you have no problem using a highly paid surgeon yet it may have taken less time for them to qualify. Most provide an excellent service but I do also agree with some of your other points.

There are not enough IPs in these so called debt charities and the clients are paying the same fees as they would to a smaller firm with a more personal touch. Melanie for example can always be contacted by her clients and we have five fully qualified IPs on our staff yet we do less than 100 IVAs per month.

Overall IPs do an excellent job and it is unfair to compare them to the spivs and gamblers in 'The City' who have been responsible for the economic carnage that the IPs are having to clean up.
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Post by Shining » Thu May 13, 2010 4:59 pm
An excellent post Michael and as a client of Melanie's I would like to say Melanie works above and beyond her duty of an IP to assist me and I'm sure all her other clients within and outside office hours, I have personally had an email from Melanie at gone midnight when I couldn't sleep one night and I don't begrudge a penny of the money my IVA is costing as the peace of mind I have got from my IVA is priceless to me.

I do realise an IVA is not for everyone but it is the correct debt solution for myself.
IVA final payment left the bank on the 26th January 2013...looking forward to a debt free future.
 
 

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Post by Diddy » Thu May 13, 2010 5:00 pm
Charitable status is a way of classifying an organisation the same way that you have different types of business classification (PLC, LTD etc) and dictates how the organisation is run, all charities have paid employees so i fail to see the relevance of the fact that CCCS, Payplan and CAB amongst others employ people.

I guess it could be argued they cant be impartial if they are funded (at least in part) by major lending organisations, but i assume this is regulated in some way to prevent any mis use of power.
 
 

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Post by tobeornot » Thu May 13, 2010 5:36 pm
yes thats a fair point by Micheal and I would agree that smaller IVA companies provide a much better service than the factories.

just a note for diddy, the reason i have mentioned this is the fact that 90% of people will not know this and the word charity can be very mis used.
 
 

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Post by tobeornot » Thu May 13, 2010 5:39 pm
post edited as it does not conform to forum etiquette.. see
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Post by RHB » Thu May 13, 2010 6:16 pm
Ollyob, you miss the point, people have to be in dent BEFORE they can have an IVA so Lesley is hardly encouraging people to get into debt. An IVA is helping her to get OUT of debt.
 
 

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Post by 666 » Thu May 13, 2010 6:20 pm
Steady on olly - lesley, and I would suggest a great number of people who are in IVA's, get a huge sense of control back once within a legally binding agreement that the IVA is. Suggesting she's needs to get a life is ridiculous.
Bankruptcy is not right for everyone for many different reasons, DMP's are not legally binding and leave creditors to do what they fancy regardless of whether you abide to the agreement.
IVA's are the middle ground in my opinion and aslong as you do your research prior to entering into them are a very valid solution to what could otherwise result in families and lives being ruined through repossessions and the likes.
 
 

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Post by Skippy » Thu May 13, 2010 7:13 pm
Ollyob, do not be rude to other posters.

I am locking this post as there is no place for personal abuse on the forum, and threads like this serve no purpose.
 
 

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Post by Shining » Thu May 13, 2010 10:26 pm
ollyob wrote:

and Lesley if you love you IVA so much then that makes you a pretty sad person, you are encouraging people into debt by saying how wonderful they are. get a life
I'm sorry I couldn't respond until now as I was out living my life!

Outside of my IVA I had no life I will be honest, I was too busy juggling bills and worrying about money all the time. Within my IVA I have no pressure from creditors and believe me I have a little albeit a small amount of income which allows me to have a life!

I would never encourage anyone to get into debt, I try and help/support people who are in a same/similar situation to myself, ollyob you're entitled to your opinion but by being a little less personal towards me, we could all get on!
IVA final payment left the bank on the 26th January 2013...looking forward to a debt free future.
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