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Post by Sadsack » Wed May 16, 2007 3:20 pm
I am not too sure if this is standard practice, perhaps someone can share an opinion regarding this.

Why is it not possible whilst in an IVA to have Pet Insurance? I have three animals, german shepherd who will be 9 in October and 2 moggies (bro and sis) who are 8. I have insured them all which to me is a sensible thing to do - for £23.00 a month for all of them.

My IP insisted that I could not have insurance and when I challenged her regarding this stating quite catagorically that should any of them become ill, there is no provision in my IVA to pay for them, whereas having insurance, I would not have to look for funding elsewhere - ie borrow from friends etc.

I was still denied. Needless to say, I have not cancelled the insurance and steal it from my living expenses which means I have about £150 per month to live on.

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Post by Skippy » Wed May 16, 2007 4:10 pm
I have heard this before and I think it's a stupid idea. OK, if you suddenly went out and bought yourself a dog and two cats whilst in an IVA it's a bit different, but as you already have them I think you should be able to keep going with the insurance. As you say you have no provision to pay for vets bills, so I thought pet insurance was the obvious answer.

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Post by kandh » Wed May 16, 2007 4:21 pm
Just had a look at my hubby's IVA i/e report and we have an amount allocated to "pets" where we include the insurance and of course the food etc. We have a cat and a dog but only the dog insured. We never had a dog when hubby first set up IVA but last year at the annual review we upped the amount allocated which wasn't queried at all. But then again, other items has decreased so overall our outgoings didn't increase. [:)]
 
 

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Post by iva experts » Wed May 16, 2007 4:30 pm
Hi Sue,

I have seen many IVA proposals with a provision for Pet Food and Pet Insurance. It must just rest on the I.P and whether they believe the creditors will accept or reject the amount.

I think that having 3 pets justifies the expense, did you have any odd expenses that your I.P was trying to get through and hence erased the pet provision?

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Post by Sadsack » Wed May 16, 2007 4:34 pm
No, there was nothing untoward regarding my IVA - it went through without any real problems, only the normal modifications that one would expect. I am due for my review and I am going to insist that this gets included. Animals are very important - it means there are other hearts beating in my home!!!!!

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Post by iva experts » Wed May 16, 2007 4:40 pm
I agree that you should bring this up at your annual reveiw, as I said before it is not as though the expense cannot be justified.

Personally I don't know how you are living off £150, this clearly shows that you love your pets.

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Post by Sadsack » Wed May 16, 2007 4:48 pm
To be honest, I have no idea how I am coping either but 10 months in and I am still here!
My animals have been thru' the mill with me and I would never part with them. Although the IP in her ever tactful way suggested I rehome them!!
She really is not my favourite person!!!

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Post by Skippy » Wed May 16, 2007 4:50 pm
Can't you set the German Shepherd on her?!?!? How dare she suggest that you rehome your animals - to me animals are part of the family. Would she have suggested that you rehomed 3 children? Actually, after what you have said about her she probably would!

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Post by Lula » Wed May 16, 2007 4:52 pm
It puzzles me what some IP agree to and others dont i have pet insurance and they didnt query this .. in fact they didnt query anything... i really think if you living within your means and your costs are resonable...then they shuold be expeceted..

i dont have children but my cats come a close second to children! perhpas i am turning into a crazy cat woman! you wouldnt expect an IP to ask you to rehome your children!
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Post by Sadsack » Wed May 16, 2007 4:54 pm
I personally feel she should be rehomed - rehomed back to where she came from which is 7,000 miles away and not far enough for me!!!

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Post by iva experts » Wed May 16, 2007 4:59 pm
You have been living off £150 per month for 10 months? that is not good Sue. Even though you are the budget queen, when you have your review I think it would be important to express to your I.P how you have found the past 12 months, she may suprise you.

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Post by Sadsack » Wed May 16, 2007 5:14 pm
It has been difficult - mortgage payments have also gone up by £200 a month and there was nothing left for me to do but steal from other areas to keep the mortgage going. £175 for food and housekeeping is not much is it??!!!! Don't have the money for my monthly prescription, cannot get my eyes tested - present glasses not strong enough anymore so keep a magnifying glass to hand!

But I am still here!!!!

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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed May 16, 2007 8:58 pm
Yet again I find myself saying - "It is not your IP's decision as to what you can and can't spend"!!! Your income and expenditure should be based upon what you actually spend.

There are certain IPs who seem to be acting as judge and jury in their client's proposals, before giving the creditors the opportunity to vote. I have NEVER had pet insurance turned down in any of the proposals I have put forward, and even the very stringent British Bankers Association guidelines included an allowance for pet related expenditure.

Better to have the insurance than to be faced with a big veterinary bill which you cannot pay (but will because your pets are part of the family), which then throws the whole arrangement into jeopardy. Would the same IP say that you could not pay to take your children to the doctors, or dentist (I know its free on the NHS but it is the principle which matters!)

It strikes me that you have been left with a barely affordable housekeeping budge, and little or no provision for any contingencies. I have to question why this is - when I regularly get proposals accepted with actual and realistic expenditure.

No wonder you are getting fed up with this IVA - and it is just this type of experience which gives the whole product a bad name - with debtor who do not wish to continue to pay, and creditors who are seeing an increase in failure rates and are starting to wonder whether IVAs are the right solution for them to support.

Am jumping off soap box now!

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Post by Sadsack » Wed May 16, 2007 10:17 pm
Mel

Get back on your soap box!!! We need you and I need you to shout - it makes me feel better and it makes me feel as that my ranting and raving is not in vain!

You are right - I am hopelessly fed up with this IVA - BR is not an option so will continue to struggle as I have been.

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Post by Adam Davies » Thu May 17, 2007 10:02 am
Sue
Your case shows a need for a provision in an IVA to allow for mortgage increases.
When you fill in your income and expenditure forms show it as it really is so that if you get a pay rise or overtime in future you can argue that the extra money should be yours to keep to offset your months of "going without"
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