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Post by briggadeen » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:31 pm
Hi all,
I'm a newbie to this forum - My husband and I have been advised to enter into an IVA by Citizens Advice, they have put us in contact with Grant Thornton. We have had limited contact and currently they are drafting up our proposal to creditors. We are being pestered by phone calls from our creditors, the worst being Sygma/Creation/Flybe (whatever name they choose to use). I really am seeking advice or support regarding what will happen next. I have tried explaining to our creditors what is happening and that I cannot do anything in the meantime but they continue to call at numerous times of the day. I have also emailed Grant Thornton to see how soon our proposal will be ready which should be next week. I feel at the moment that something that is supposed to be 'the easy way out' is turning out to be the worst!!! Seriously considering bankruptcy and the shame of having our names in the local paper to get these people of our backs. Can someone shed some light on how to deal with this and how soon I should expect things to be completed? (Paperwork has been with Grant Thornton since end of Nov).

Thank you so much I would appreciate anything.
 
 

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Post by merrypotter » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:38 pm
hi and welcome . some of the professiols will be along im sure to give you more info but I think you have taken the biggest and best step so far. i know how you feel with the phone calls but unfortunately not alot you can do apart from tell them of your situation and tell them you will advice them soon as you know more yourself. if they really get you down unplug the phone for a while to let yourself relax. the hardest part is always at the beginning it will soon cam down. good luck
 
 

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Post by Cath » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:43 pm
Hi briggadeen and welcome to the forum.

The phone calls from creditors will continue....can you un plug your phone?

I'm sure the creitors callers would continue to persue you until you had a date for a BR hearing regardless.

An IVA is certainly not the easy way out.

Make sure that your proposal is reasonable and something you can difinately afford.

If you're not sure, take some additional advice from www.iva.com, talk to a few more companies.

I will be honest and say that the IVA process is no pic-nic but if you don't want to speak with your creditors callers, un plug the phone\!

Good luck whatever you decide to do xxx
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Post by flumpy dog » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:46 pm
aww brigadeen welcome to here.

the calls are horrible and they really will get to you because the people calling use all kinds of tactics to get you to pay up-most of the time because they are paid commission if they extract a payment from you. please dont give up yet-im sure grant thornton are doing all they can for you but most ivas take an average of 2-3 months to complete subject to no major complications like property stuff etc.
have you had a proposal to sign yet ? you say the paperwork is with them but i remember mine-it was done in 8.5 weeks and although it feels like nothing is happening it is -just takes time x
is there anyway you could change your number ~? if they really are being a pain i know most phone companies can barr numbers from calling you if they are being a pain.if youre with bt call 150-they'lle sort it for you.
if thats inconvinient you can politely tell the creditors calling that you are in the process of sorting your finances and give them grant thorntons number to call.
stay strong hun i know its easy for me to say but you just have to hang in there a little longer. you will get so much support from me and the guys here if we can help whenever youre down or upset ok. maybe you could give GT a call in the morning to get an update. also its near xmas so they will have loads of cases to deal with but you are important too so i would give them a tinkle in the morning keep posting ok x
 
 

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Post by briggadeen » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:00 pm
Thank you all for your comments!!
I have had the phone unplugged since yesterday morning, I have a 2 year old so I unplug it when he is going for a nap because the phone calls were becoming constant. I think I can live with the phone being unplugged for a while, family members etc can reach me via my mobile. But saying that I have been receiving a few phones calls to my mobile.

our paperwork was sent to Grant Thornton about 3 weeks ago, the only thing we have signed is to say that we agree to them dealing with our creditors. My case worker (whom I spoke to on tues) has told me that our proposal will be with us next week for us to read and sign. And our Income/expenditure wasn't actually done with Grant Thornton but with the debt specialist at citizens advise. Grant Thornton did check all details with us when they took us on.

I am confident that we can live with the monies for the next 5 years but its a frustrating period at the moment. I have finally admitted to myself that we are in financial crisis. Its like being an alcoholic!! LOL But on the positive side I have extra money in my account since stopping all payments to creditors. Saying that I was unable to open a bank account because of my credit rating and hubby had to do it in his name.

From reading previous posts I can see you are all a great bunch and that I will be able to rely on you for any questions that I may have.
Thank you x
 
 

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Post by flumpy dog » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:12 pm
aww sweetie youve still got a little way to go and it is horrible but again the calls arent meant personally its simply someone on the end of a line-who quite often dont even work for the creditor but a temp agency and when they call they have one objective-MONEY ! and they will try their damnest to extract it from you. theres a dear lady on here called lili who doesnt post as much now but last year around now actually whilst i was waiting for my iva approval she was so kind to me and really cheered me up because i was getting hassle like you and she helped me deal with it so well-she even likened them to slimey green monsters ! still makes me giggle now and that helped me deal with the stress !
you have done nothing wrong apart from get into a financial tangle like us all but YOU are making headway in sorting it and that makes you a responsible person ok so hold your head up-yes the calls are terrible-i still get the odd idiot calling me a year in !!!
stay strong IT will be over soon but this is test time-how strong are you-from what ive seen i know damn well you can do this ! we are always here-well when im back from work ! [:p] and you can guarantee even at 5 am lesley is here to listen
we will get you through this ok so keep posting and keep the head held high hun xxx

also hun have a look at this ok do not worry we will help you through this xxx luv fd


IVA : How to Deal With Creditor Calls.
There is nothing quite like having a call from a creditor. Especially when they are looking for a payment.

Just the thought of a creditor calling can be enough for some people to avoid answering their telephone, especially when they don’t have the means to pay the creditor anything until next month.


However, it is important to realise that communicating with your creditors is the key, so try not to hide from your creditors, as a lack of contact can be more damaging in the long run.

If you have not notified your creditors of your financial difficulties before hand, the first contact you will probably receive from your creditors will be from one of their recovery team, or late payments department.

Their reasons for calling you are generally to find out why your payment is late, or did not arrive when it was supposed to, and to establish when you intend to make the next payment to them.

Different creditors have different tactics, but they will vary their tactics, dependent on how much you owe them.

Strangely enough, it can be the creditors who are owed the least money that cause the most upset.

If you put yourself in the creditor’s shoes for a moment, you can see that if somebody in financial difficulties owed you £20,000 it is unlikely that they will be able to repay you any more quickly just because you are using threatening behavior towards them, whereas if somebody owed you £300, you maybe able to influence the client to maintain some level of repayments by threatening action against them.

Not all creditors will call you regularly, indeed, some may not call at all, but when they do call the type of phone calls you can expect from creditors can vary immensely, from a courteous call and a gentle reminder to a full threat of legal action against you should you continue to avoid payment of the debt.

So here are some golden rules that you can use to assist you when your creditors call

Stay calm and be polite, even if the person on the other end of the phone is being rude to you.
Take the name of the caller and the name of the creditor concerned and keep a date and time log of your conversations as it may be useful later on.
Keep your call courteous, short and to the point, and try to avoid being engaged in a conversation about your repayments.
Do not make a promise of a payment you cannot keep, as this can make the calls even more difficult later.
Try to keep control of the call. Remember, you are the still customer.
Then, depending on your situation :

If you are entering into an Individual Voluntary Arrangement (IVA): Give the name, address and telephone number of your Insolvency Practitioner to the creditor, and explain to them that you are in the process of proposing an IVA. Ask them to contact your insolvency practitioner, as they are dealing with all your finances and have instructed you to refrain from making any payments to your creditors at all.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:29 pm
You are with a very reputable IP firm, and if they have only had the paperwork for a month or so then they are doing really well to get your proposals finalised.
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Post by briggadeen » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:50 pm
Oh thank you all so much for your comments. I feel a bit of relief knowing you are all here so that I can ask questions. We have told our immediate family our predicament but no one else so there is no one really I can ask these questions. The guy at citizens advice was most helpful but I do not want to keep pestering him.
I have come home from work today to a letter from Sygma stating I have failed to make my payment and in arrears or £162 etc and that they will be taking further action. Surely they will have it on their system that I have an intended IVA?? I have told them this and they took the details of Grant Thornton? Should I be concerned??
 
 

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Post by briggadeen » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:10 pm
ok i am feeling really down this weekend, we have been recieving those dreaded letters that there will be further action taken against us. Wat should I do? Do I need to reply to these companies? I have spoken to anybody who has rang and told them on numerous occasions that we are proposing an IVA!?

Also with I&E I have noticed just by looking at peoples blogs that they put a bit down for birthdays, xmas etc?? Will I be allowed to do this or is this the norm? I have a 2 year old now but when this IVA finishes he will be nearly 8 and by then will be wanting expensive xmas pressies no doubt. I feel that I should be doing bankruptcy forms instead - there is no one really I can turn to for support. Citizens Advice have said that if we went down the bankruptcy route they wouldn't take our house because there is little or no equity.

Also another question? I have a small balance on my mum's catalogue that I didn't declare but I am wondering that when my IP does a credit check will I get into trouble (my mum actually pays it each month) It hasn't really been explained to us in depth but I am right in understanding that I should cut up all store cards, credit cards, debit cards etc? I have 1 store card that I would use very occasionally and pay it off at the end of the month.
 
 

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Post by Shining » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:17 pm
Hi there and welcome to the forum from me, I would give your IP a ring and talk to through all your options in great depth unless this has already been done. Alternatively give another couple of IP's a ring and talk through the best way forward for yourself. www.iva.com is a good place to start and I hope they answer your questions fully and that you can fully understand these as you need to before you proceed.
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Post by briggadeen » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:20 pm
I do want to try and repay at least some of the debt and thats why we chose an IVA, but to be honest when citizens advice organised for GT to meet with us we thought that they would be there on the end of the phone to answer any of our questions but I am finding that they don't really be helpful & we were told that they would approach our creditors and tell them that we were proposing an IVA. I just feel alone, I have emailed our so called contact in GT twice now and still no reply.
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:27 pm
Hi Briggadeen,

If you are not happy with your IP, it is not too late to change.
Sharing from experiences of dealing with debt
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Post by briggadeen » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:29 pm
isn't there a cost involved? And wouldn't that delay things further - the picture I had painted when we met them is completely different to how things are. It was 'if you have any questions just pick up the phone and we will put your mind at ease'. I have never felt more uptight in all my life.
 
 

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Post by Skippy » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:48 pm
Have you paid any money upfront? If not there shouldn't be any added cost.

Changing IPs might delay things a little, but it would be better to do that now if you're not comfortable. 5 years is a long time to be with a company that you're not happy with.
 
 

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Post by briggadeen » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:50 pm
no I haven't paid any money thankfully. A guy from GT had emailed me to begin with to welcome me as a client so I have emailed back with my concerns. Hopefully they will help, but if not I will look into other IPs.
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