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Post by Martin2011 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:59 pm
We knew when entering our agreement that our cars were going to be our week point.... both essential for work and both old bangers with more than 100k on the clock when we entered our agreement two years ago..... so over the first two years it's only really unpredictable repair costs that have made things very dificult on occasion....

So here we were, entering 2008, all hopeful etc when this afternoon the whole front suspension on my wife's car collapsed..... Great!!!... Certainly no reserves right now, and seemingly few options.... will be making contact with IP tomorow to explore options and then possibly 'Duncton', a firm that was mentioned on the forum a while ago who do leasing.... We know that replacing my wife's car is the only real option as it's due MOT this month anyway, already stalls frequntly, needs two new front tyres and has only had 4 of it's five gears available for the past few months..... C'est la vie, not really moaning, but well......timing, not the greatest eh....

Any ideas welcome and I'll post how we get on resolving....

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Post by Storm » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:06 pm
Potential problem with Duncton is they like there deposits.......underwriting has tightened up at all the motor finance providers in the last couple of months.
 
 

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Post by Lisa2009 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:08 pm
Perhaps under the circumstances, your IP could give you a payment break to replace the car and then make up the payments at the end of the 5 years?

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Post by Martin2011 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:17 pm
Hey Storm and Mrs Skint... thanks for the quick responses... Did wonder about the deposit issue with Duncton....certainly couldn't raise a great deal, but where there's a will..... I guess IP might consider a payment hol, trouble is, he already gave us one exactly a year ago when my car died and needed 1k of repairs... worried that he might say no and equally that if he says yes, that's two missed payments and our agreement says if three are missed the IVA fails...

The leasing option certainly buys peace of mind though, read more info on this this evening and the monthly cost includes road tax and servicing, tyres, exhausts etc which would be a load off my mind. Did the maths and it would work out close to our current costs all in....Will discuss with IP and wonder whether a combination of a payment break to fund the deposit and then leasing might be the best way forward. Don't mind driving my old crate around, but would def prefer something a tad more reliable and safe for my wife, not least because she does all the transportation of our children...

Thanks for the advice, will let you know how it pans out...

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Post by Storm » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:43 pm
The key thing to watch with any form of leasing / Personal Contract Plan / Personal Contract Hire is the excess mileage.

Once you go above the contracted mileage it will hurt....

To be fair Duncton are OK - they like you talking to them.... for example they will contact regularly for mileage of the vehicle.

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Post by Martin2011 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:01 pm
Cheers Storm, useful info...will have a chat with them tomorow assuming their offices are open... Familiar with mileage management from previous experience with company lease car, and would definitely monitor as closely, if not more so than the company.

Many thanks again,

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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:34 pm
This is always a problem for people entering into IVAs when they have elderly vehicles. If affordable, I always try and advise clients to think about replacing one of the vehicles before entering into their IVAs to at least provide one decent car which is likely to last for the duration. Benefit of hindsight is great, I know, but you should try and look forward as well as back when looking at proposing an IVA.

It can be difficult to finance the cost of a new vehicle during and IVA, and a payment holiday could work, also would a family member be able to take out the finance for you, and you then make the payments to them out of a reduced disposable income?

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Post by Martin2011 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:04 am
Thanks Melanie,

I've just sent an email to Mr Reeves to expalin the situation and ascertain his advice on the options open to us - will wait to see what he comes back with.

Re. family members, my parents are the only people that we've told about our situation. Whilst they're very comfortably off, they would never loan us money, never have, on the basis that we, (like they always have) should live within our means - bless them!!...

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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:39 pm
They would only be really covering the loan for you, as you would be making the repayments directly back to them. And at the end of the day, you will need to replace that car somehow. Also remember that any credit taken out during the IVA, whether it is to a finance company or to a family member, must be authorised by your IP.

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Post by Chris30 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:50 pm
I know most people need a car for work but is it really a good idea to take out more finance after getting an IVA to clear previous debts??

You can pick up a semi decent run about for less than £500 these days with under 60k miles on it.. eg- my GF just sold her little micra for £200 and its in perfect working order.
 
 

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Post by louisa.s » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:11 pm
I agree thoroughly with you Martin - Cars are the biggest pain in our IVA!

Have been looking into finance with the list that Andy gave me a while back but have decided against it - bit scared as to if it will work or not. Going with the theory that if I stop spending money on her and put it in the bank then I should have money to replace her - although she is classed as an asset - how will that work? I wonder?!?

NB: Father Christmas let his Reindeer out to play chicken with traffic this year and one decided to play with my car!!! Grr...more expense although luckily no damage done to engine so can work herinto the ground a little more. Hubby was driving - quelle surprise!!!

Cars I think are an unknown entity - as although you budget for them they always go wrong when you least expect them to, cost more to fix than you have saved and generally you can't afford to replace them as you have no savings because you hadf to break into your savings to repair it last time!!!!
 
 

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Post by Martin2011 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:34 pm
Thanks again Melanie, I agree with what you say, though to be honest I don't think my father has ever borrowed money and am confident he wouldn't for us, even if we agreed regular repayment. He might be in a position to lend himself, but I don't think he would.... fair enough I guess, it is his money. But you're right, we have to replace the car somehow....no response from my IP yet, but will give it another 24hours....and certainly won't enter into any agreement without his prior agreement... Confident I'll work out a solution, so far I've yet to meet the un-solveable problem!! [:)]

Chris - I agree, borrowing more money is something I'd definitely prefer not to do, but there are some situations where it might be necesary. My decision will be governed by whatever I end up doing to solve the problem costing less than the excessive amount we've had to spend already keeping the old vehicle running, i.e., I won't do anything to upset the figures in my I&E or indeed compromise my IVA payments in any way.

and thanks Louisa, from previous threads I know we're not the only folk who experience this particular prob whilst in an IVA... guess it's almost innevitable....agree that cars are the most unpredictable of assetts, except you can guarantee probs occur when you least need them.... soz to hear that Santa's reindeer caused a prob for yours, clearly had too much christmas juice....

Many thanks again,

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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:20 pm
Buying old bangers can be false economy in the long run, especially if you are doing significant amounts of mileage. I guess you just need to explore all of the options before deciding what to do.

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Post by Martin2011 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:07 pm
That's about the size of it I think, we need something that we can afford to keep on the road for the next three years.... certainly narrowed the options today and am at least 1 day closer to the right solution... Thanks for all your help and support...

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Post by Adam Davies » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:11 pm
Hi
There is a gap in the market for affordable five year car leases for people going into an IVA.As Melanie states cheap cars can be false economy with repairs and maintanance running into thousands per year.
I know one forum member who has a hire car on a long term agreement,no service costs,no tax,no mots and no insurance costs........makes sense to me
Some questions that need to be asked and answered prior to an IVA being proposed
1]Is your mortgage on a fixed rate that will end within your IVA term ?
2] Will your present vehicle last the five year term ?
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