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Post by kallis3 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:16 pm
Hi 600andy,

I agree with Skippy and PD that we all make mistakes, and hopefully you can get this one sorted out with your IP.

I also agree with Skippy that Angelrainbow was quite harsh - a lot of people are just so happy that their IVA has been approved as they are desperate.

They may not realise that they are able to take a payment break with the IP's or creditors permission and if you desperately need to get repairs done, you will do what you can.

Let us know how you get on Andy.
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Post by Adam Davies » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:26 pm
Hi
Your IP will not fail your IVA, you will need to agree a way to clear the overdraft and suggest a payment break to be tagged onto the end of your IVA. Just be sure that going forward your IVA payments are manageable and request a reduction in payments if necessary.
Most IVAs will run into a problem or two along the awy so just work with your IP to agree a sensible solution
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Post by Michael Peoples » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:27 pm
Your faux pas is not the worst by far that IPs come across. One of the problems is that IPs get the blame for doing what they are legally obliged to do and have no discretion to operate commonsense. Creditors remove discretion so if you have breached the terms, the IP must terminate, bankrupt if required or call a variation. Hopefully your IP can go to creditors and get approval for your IVA to continue and a few extra months at the end will cover a paymemnt break to clear the overdraft.
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Post by angelrainbow » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:24 pm
600andy wrote:
Skippy13 wrote:

Angelrainbow that's a bit harsh. Yes, we should all read our proposals and the majority of people are desperate when they choose an IVA and would sign anything if they think it means an end to their debt problems. I'm not saying it's right, but it happens.

I hope your IP is understanding Andy, and please let us know how you get on x
Thanks - yes, we WERE desperate and perhaps didnt ask enough questions at the right time - many of these became clearer although we maintain we didnt know as much as we shopuld of up front.

We, like most did our very best to keep our head above water until we just couldnt and were literally days from something nasty happening. When you have a home, small children and your the sole earner, the sense of responsibilty is overwhelming - I am sure some of you will know what I mean. Obviously we did read the document through but didnt fully memorise its content and filed it away.

Even now, we do not pretend to be IVA experts and learn new things as different situations have arisen.

The overdraft thing is an easy albeit foolish mistake. I am sure our IP will not allow an otherwise perfect IVA to fail as it is in no-ones interest to allow an otherwise viable IVA to fail after 2 years - but I guess what will be will be.

I suspect (and hope) that we will simply take a payment break, clear the OD and just carry on albeit a tad wiser. If our IP takes us up BR road, then so be it - I have no control over that.

IVA's are a wonderful thing, but perhaps some IVA providers would do better if they were a little more informative, clearer and maintain closer contact than a questionnaire in the post once a year....all our contact has been by letter or telephone - we have never even been to their offices as they are far away in the North. I am not saying I want to do luch with them, but a friendly, customer focused how can I help you approach is not something we have experienced - that said, an IVA isnt a membership to some club I know that.

Generally,apart from this faux pas, our IVA journey has been trouble free. We have suffered perhaps from poor or too little info and advice from our provider and getting the info we have sought has often required some persistance - that said, on a couple of occasions they have been great - so its been a bit of a mixed bag of experiences but largely of the negative majority.

Were just waiting for a call back from our IP and then we will know the score......I will update the forum. Thanks for all the words of support (and the harsh comments which are not totally unjustified) as it is a stupid mistake to make in the first place.......

My partner was also desperate, we had less than 14 days to find a new home after we were repossessed, we had two children under two, couldn't confide in anybody, my partner was and is the sole wage earner and the stress and responsibility on him was and still can be enormous - but we still found the time to read everything.

I'm sorry if I came across as harsh - honestly the post just left me somewhat gobsmacked.
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Post by plasticdaft » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:29 pm
Michael Peoples wrote:

Your faux pas is not the worst by far that IPs come across. One of the problems is that IPs get the blame for doing what they are legally obliged to do and have no discretion to operate commonsense. Creditors remove discretion so if you have breached the terms, the IP must terminate, bankrupt if required or call a variation. Hopefully your IP can go to creditors and get approval for your IVA to continue and a few extra months at the end will cover a paymemnt break to clear the overdraft.

The system in scotland appears much better. Just thought I'd share that with you all. Ip's would seem to have a little more leeway to adjust things accordingly without charging extra for meetings etc.

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Post by angelrainbow » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:36 pm
Oh and Andy I truly do wish you all the best and hope you get the payment break to sort this all out.
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Post by 600andy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:59 pm
angelrainbow wrote:
600andy wrote:
Skippy13 wrote:

Angelrainbow that's a bit harsh. Yes, we should all read our proposals and the majority of people are desperate when they choose an IVA and would sign anything if they think it means an end to their debt problems. I'm not saying it's right, but it happens.

I hope your IP is understanding Andy, and please let us know how you get on x
Thanks - yes, we WERE desperate and perhaps didnt ask enough questions at the right time - many of these became clearer although we maintain we didnt know as much as we shopuld of up front.

We, like most did our very best to keep our head above water until we just couldnt and were literally days from something nasty happening. When you have a home, small children and your the sole earner, the sense of responsibilty is overwhelming - I am sure some of you will know what I mean. Obviously we did read the document through but didnt fully memorise its content and filed it away.

Even now, we do not pretend to be IVA experts and learn new things as different situations have arisen.

The overdraft thing is an easy albeit foolish mistake. I am sure our IP will not allow an otherwise perfect IVA to fail as it is in no-ones interest to allow an otherwise viable IVA to fail after 2 years - but I guess what will be will be.

I suspect (and hope) that we will simply take a payment break, clear the OD and just carry on albeit a tad wiser. If our IP takes us up BR road, then so be it - I have no control over that.

IVA's are a wonderful thing, but perhaps some IVA providers would do better if they were a little more informative, clearer and maintain closer contact than a questionnaire in the post once a year....all our contact has been by letter or telephone - we have never even been to their offices as they are far away in the North. I am not saying I want to do luch with them, but a friendly, customer focused how can I help you approach is not something we have experienced - that said, an IVA isnt a membership to some club I know that.

Generally,apart from this faux pas, our IVA journey has been trouble free. We have suffered perhaps from poor or too little info and advice from our provider and getting the info we have sought has often required some persistance - that said, on a couple of occasions they have been great - so its been a bit of a mixed bag of experiences but largely of the negative majority.

Were just waiting for a call back from our IP and then we will know the score......I will update the forum. Thanks for all the words of support (and the harsh comments which are not totally unjustified) as it is a stupid mistake to make in the first place.......

My partner was also desperate, we had less than 14 days to find a new home after we were repossessed, we had two children under two, couldn't confide in anybody, my partner was and is the sole wage earner and the stress and responsibility on him was and still can be enormous - but we still found the time to read everything.

I'm sorry if I came across as harsh - honestly the post just left me somewhat gobsmacked.




Well, I suppose were all here because we werent so perfect eh? At the very least we can help & support each other with being judgemental after all, let he without sin cast the first stone? Good luck with your IVA. Mine will be finished before yours with a bit of luck. Our IP was really understanding and helpful (phew) and has given permission for the OD and so no payment break and/or extension needed. Thanks to you all for your help support and kind words - that was very much appreciated.
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Post by angelrainbow » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:02 pm
Andy, please see post above where I wished you all the best. I meant it then and I do now.
FWIW, my OH is the one who had the financial troubles, not me.
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Post by Skippy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:09 pm
Andy, that's really good news. I'm sorry that some of the posts seem to be critical, the forum isn't usually like that. I hope that if you need any more support or advice you won't be put off posting.

I'm so glad your IP was understanding, and good luck with the rest of your IVA x
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Post by 600andy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:15 pm
angelrainbow wrote:

Andy, please see post above where I wished you all the best. I meant it then and I do now.
FWIW, my OH is the one who had the financial troubles, not me.
Thanks Angelrainbow, yea, saw that and appreciate your comments. My circumstances are not disimilar to yours but can add a bitter Divorce and 3 redundancies within the last few years. The financial failing was mostly mine and I inadvertantly dragged my new Wife & step children in with me. I was hounded by the Child Support Agency for years who were at one point taking 50% of my net income, so they played their part in my downfall too. I am getting better at reading these days! :-) xx
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:17 pm
Good luck Andy - hope the rest of your IVA goes ok.
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Post by 600andy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:20 pm
Skippy13 wrote:

Andy, that's really good news. I'm so glad your IP was understanding, and good luck with the rest of your IVA x
Thanks Slippy13 - yea, what a relief - he was amazingly understanding! We are using this experience to start over afresh. We have a new resolve which feels quite invigorating and have developed a gritty determination now to kick this IVA into touch and get on with our lives. We WILL complete this and we WILL be successful. New lessons learned, ass well and truly self-kicked.

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Post by 600andy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:22 pm
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Good luck Andy - hope the rest of your IVA goes ok.
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Post by Skippy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:22 pm
As I said, if you need any more help or support during your IVA you know where we are x
 
 

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Post by angelrainbow » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:24 pm
Phew, so pleased you are all sorted out Andy - yes, our stories are similar, although different sides of the coin.
Mr R also has well and truly kicked his ass and learnt his lessons and I love him more for trying to manage and keep things from us but then finding a solution to it all.
Good luck to you for the future - and keep posting! : )
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