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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:53 pm
by martinw
another Martin's hypothetical question (Melanie said she liked em,lol)
I remember hearing that even money obtained illegally (say by drug dealing) is still taxable, but how does this fit in an IVA.Also how about illegal asserts if I declared I had 10K of drugs who would sell these for benefit of creditors
Martin
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:10 am
by MelanieGiles
Any reputable IP would not touch such case with a bargepole, and would make a report to the appropriate authorities under the Money Laundering regulations. Please don't ask Martin - as I wont be able to say any more on this topic.
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:37 am
by Foggy
Such monies ( if the source is proven) would more likely to be seized than taxed.
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:35 pm
by ClareSilver
I'm sure SOCA would have a field day with this sort of scenario!
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:29 pm
by martinw
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by Foggy
Such monies ( if the source is proven) would more likely to be seized than taxed.
I'd have thought Osborne n co would tax then seize, then chase for the tax bill
Martin
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:34 pm
by martinw
There was a panorama(or similar) on a couple of months ago, it would seem that they aren't actually that good at seizing (in quite a few cases the legal bill is already more than the proceeds of crime).
Martin
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:59 pm
by Foggy
This is true, Martin. English law is so clumsy and convoluted, it is unbelievable!
The problem ( which is also, perversely, a bonus) is the way our laws are made then interpreted. Here, when we change a law we don't, as many other countries do, just scrap the whole thing and start again. We tack on amendments here and there, which causes a ripple effect.
Then we base many judgements and interpretation upon case law and precedent.
We also have two concepts to bear in mind: the "letter of the law" ( what it says) and the "spirit of the law" ( what we think it really means).
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:04 pm
by martinw
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by Foggy
This is true, Martin. English law is so clumsy and convoluted, it is unbelievable!
The problem ( which is also, perversely, a bonus) is the way our laws are made then interpreted. Here, when we change a law we don't, as many other countries do, just scrap the whole thing and start again. We tack on amendments here and there, which causes a ripple effect.
Then we base many judgements and interpretation upon case law and precedent.
We also have two concepts to bear in mind: the "letter of the law" ( what it says) and the "spirit of the law" ( what we think it really means).
I remember when I was growing up this appearing in the papers quote from a judge 'the law must say what it means and mean what it says'. In this case it was a toll that the law said the vehicle must pay (which is somewhat difficult)
Martin