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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:23 am
by hara
I have obtained an IVA recently with modifications,voted by proxy.
one of the modifications is windfall.
All windfall have to be declared and handed over including redundancy Money.
Though unlikely to be made redundant I am little concerned,but if I did not agree IVA may not have gone through.
In followig paragraph it says that I have to hand over any wind fall of over 500 pounds immediately to IP.
I phoned and asked and subsequently clarified with at least three people at the firm, whether it meant that I do not have to declare or hand over windfall less than 500 pounds and it was confrmed that I do not have to declare or hand over less than 500 pounds.
I asked it to be confirmed in writing. But was informed that it is implied in the proposal.
I would like to know if a family member helps from time to time with small amounts,is it classfied as windfall?
It would not be less than 500.
Has any one had such clause in their proposal?
I would appreciate all your valuable comments.
Hara.
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:29 am
by hara
Sorry,
It should be,
It would be less than 500.
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:42 am
by jpj
I guess it depends how often family "help you out" if you get £300 every 2 or 3 months they might class it as unearned income!?
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:59 am
by MelanieGiles
Hi Hara
I can definately confirm for you that these monies would not be treated as a windfall.
Regards, Melanie Giles, Insolvency Practitioner for over 20 years.
For further details contact me at
http://www.melaniegiles.com and view my IVA blog at:
http://melaniegiles.blogs.iva.co.uk
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:54 am
by hara
It has bee cinfirmed,that if,hypothetical I win lottery,say weekly, as long as it does not exceed 500 or more,I do not need to inform or hand over.
In a way I like this clause.
Has any one experience of such or any other friendly clause?
hara.
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:10 pm
by Adam Davies
Hi
I,m surprised Hara,s redundancy money has to be handed over ? I thought that this was to be used for "living" off whilst seeking a new job.
Your thoughts Melanie
Regards
Andy Davie
IVA.co.uk Spokesperson
About me:
http://www.iva.co.uk/andy_davie_profile.asp
IVA Helpline: 0800 197 4838
http://www.iva.co.uk/iva_helpline.asp
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:12 pm
by MelanieGiles
Oops - missed the point about redundancy money sorry!
Redundancy is paid as compensation for loss of office and is to be used until alterntive employment is found. It is only treated as a windfall when there is a surplus - ie if new employment is found before the money has been absorbed.
Regards, Melanie Giles, Insolvency Practitioner for over 20 years.
For further details contact me at
http://www.melaniegiles.com and view my IVA blog at:
http://melaniegiles.blogs.iva.co.uk
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:30 pm
by hara
I asked but apparetly it is the case that I have to hand over,I shall ask again.
Though I am very unlikely to be made redundant,it is very worryng.Five years is a long time any thing may happen!
That is another reason I want to end IVA early,hope fully in 24 months.
If we get enough money for the house,we may be able to sell,down size,if the creditors agree to release me from 4th year clause and agree for a full and fianl settlement.
Hope!Hope! and Hope!
Hara.
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:46 pm
by hara
Dear Melanie Giles,
You say it would not be treated as wind fall, what would it be considered as?
Hara.
hara
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:08 pm
by olympic_torch
I have the £500 clause in my proposal also.
Now then, if i could manage to win £499.50 on the lottery every week, woohoo!
Aucto Splendore Resurgo.
(4 down, 56 to go)
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:10 pm
by Adam Davies
Hi
It would be your luck to win £501
Regards
Andy Davie
IVA.co.uk Spokesperson
About me:
http://www.iva.co.uk/andy_davie_profile.asp
IVA Helpline: 0800 197 4838
http://www.iva.co.uk/iva_helpline.asp
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:17 pm
by BlueShoes
Would you not then pay the £1?
Or the whole £501?
Blue
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:36 pm
by hara
Hypothetically,
as the clause is there, I felt that it had to be adressed as IVA is for 5 years.
hara
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:23 pm
by Adam Davies
Hi
I would think,in reality,that any money over the £500,so yes only the £1.
Regards
Andy Davie
IVA.co.uk Spokesperson
About me:
http://www.iva.co.uk/andy_davie_profile.asp
IVA Helpline: 0800 197 4838
http://www.iva.co.uk/iva_helpline.asp